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Is this you? I'm a bit confused about the potentially-useful template showing MPC members; where are the details sourced from? For example, Sir Alan Budd left in 1999, but appears to be there to October 2000 on the template that appears on the DeAnne Julius page. Also, some instances need trimming (like Budd's did); are you doing all of them? Help! Carbonix 19:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

How about chaing the heading to Bank of England's Monetary Policy Committee and adding "Governor:" to the small link, and changing the color of this row to a slightly lighter blue. Then "The X Bank" can be removed. This is likely to be nontrivial, so I'll make sure that you are OK with it before changing it. savidan (talk) (e@) 01:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

May I politely butt in? I was thinking of saying myself that "The George Bank" is not quite right: what's there now is better. Could I also suggest that the table is compressed a bit? I would cut each name down to a surname only (failing that, and following the SCOTUS example, initial and surname). As this box is already huge after just 9 years of the MPC, I think this would help to make it more manageable. Also bear in mind these people do not "set the British pound"!! Gabriel R 10:35, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, Carbonix. They are much appreciated. I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to change it to surnames only, although I don't think that would address Gabriel's issue with the vertical length. savidan (talk) (e@) 23:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

May I ask what browser you are using that breaks the text? Mine (Mozilla) doesn't break any lines. If you must reduce all the monikers to last name only. Do it consistently. The problem with giving the full name once they join the committee is that the line of the template where they join the committee may not be on all the pages of the people who they were on the committee with. Thus for simplicity it has to be always last name or always full name. savidan (talk) (e@) 00:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

With last names only there is no chance that this will break on any persons browser who doesn't go out of their way to clutter their screen. Don't abbreviate months. Theres no consensus for that anywhere on wikipedia, to my knowledge. savidan (talk) (e@) 06:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Things to do

Following on from discussion here:

I think this box should ideally have the people's names in a slightly different sequence. I'd think the order would be: Governor, then Depy Gov (Monetary), then Depy Gov (Financial Stability), then Exec Dir/Chf Economist, then Exec Dir (Mkts), then the four external members in order of appointment. This could be a bit time-consuming.

Also to do:

Also: where did the pic of the Bank go?? Hope this wasn't me, I don't think it was! Gabriel R

I just got the dates from the article, I hadn't considered where they sat for a meeting. I think a person should only be listed as a member of a committee for a given month if they were at that month's meeting. People are still members of the committee even if they skip meetings. Just Bush is still the president even when he goes on vacation 3 months a year. If that's what you're saying, then I agree. As for the order, I thought seniority made more sense. If you want to do it that way you're going to need to columnize it (which will increase the width) and list the deputy governors and external members in terms of their seniority within that group. You would also have to potentially create new subtemplates because people may have changed between positions while they were on the bank, which would increase the vertical length of the template. Please think this through before attempting it. savidan (talk) (e@) 06:49, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I still don't quite understand, but it seems like you know more about the MPC than me. Feel free to adjust the dates in whatever manner it is that you were advocating. Are you saying, for example, that the line "May 2001-June 2001" never existed? That would make sense to me. I thought that the rows should be X-Y followed by Y-Z but it seems like you are saying that A-B followed by C-D is sometimes more accurate. This, if correct, would be much welcomed because it would decrease the vertical length of the template. savidan (talk) (e@) 09:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

You've got it. Unfortunately, I'm not sure where to get precise dates in most cases. Will try to find them. Gabriel R 22:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry fo the delay in getting back to you. If I'm not mistaken, the following MPC's never existed (as in this was never the set of people at any meeting):

I will go through and remove these templates, and then mark them with {db-author}. Then I will adjust the dates of the remaining ones so that there is no overlap. savidan (talk) (e@) 09:05, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Very sorry about this Savidan but I have now got around to comparing all this with the official Bank data available here . It turns out that - presumably because of a last-minute approach by the Chancellor, or difficulty in recruiting - there are actually some one-month gaps after all (though most of what you've listed just now is indeed incorrect). I've converted the data in this table into text but am not as adroit, wiki-wise, at improving your table. However, these are the facts:

Please note that these refer to the monthly meetings attended by each committee member, and not the exact (ie, to-the-day) dates of appointment/departure. But as I've said already, this is probably the best way to manage this table. From a market point of view, what matters is who voted what in each month. More pertinently, I simply can't find exact dates of arrival and departure for these people, and as I say most of the time they were appointed at the start of a month and end their terms at the end of a month. This info above is definitely precise enough to be getting on with in my view. Sorry for confusion. Gabriel R

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